Tulpa.info - metaphysics

nostalgia for drinking in the woods with his edgy ass witchlord friends

7:22 PM

Good times.

what is witchcraft community like?

7:22 PM

is it proper channel to ask that?

Depends on the community.

7:23 PM

I can't think of a better channel for the question. :P

i mean drinkin with witcholrd friends in the woods sounds quite fun

7:23 PM

have you put branches to form blairwitch symbols or something?

7:26 PM

imagine being able to use your fat as mana source. got a bit too much weight? cast some fireballs

Despite also being a pre-eminent nerd at the time I don't think I could tell you what the overall community is like. My understanding of witchcraft was mostly second-hand, I rarely engage online at all. I was brought into such things via my peers primarily. And alas the drinking didn't involve any ritual shenanigans. Though I can distinctly remember having to carry someone home on that fine day. Teenagers are lightweights.

today in the episode of "without context": "teenagers are lightweights", Zen 2021

Dubious looking statement, that.

Nickolai

This channel used to be rather more pro magic on IRC. What happened to those folks? :P (IIRC it also required you to join it voluntarily, although I think that was just IRC. )

They get ran off most of the time

10:17 PM

Half the time I have a decent convo in here regarding magic or whatnot it has to get bombarded with critics questioning it unecessarily

10:17 PM

A year or so ago this channel was a lot better in terms of the variety of people but no it is usually just philosophy or light spirituality

Light spirituality best spirituality :p

10:19 PM

All we're looking for is peace of mind - "It's Good 'Nuff"

Hey Marissa, who was that guy that we had the conversation with about the time loops?

Rome, but cant seem to ping him anymore

I guess he left the server

10:23 PM

~~Probably for the reasons i was just saying~~

He was pinged by someone asking about something not long before he left, I think less than a week before probably. I remember them being somewhat close in time but now I remember less the closeness. Or maybe it was longer than a week. (edited)

As far as spiritual concepts, there's one that Roger loves to quote:

10:09 PM

"Deep sleep is like death, without the commitment." - Woody Allen

Unfastened Belts

"Deep sleep is like death, without the commitment." - Woody Allen

So a one night stand then?

Haha I like it

11:02 PM

Maybe we could say every waking day is a one-night stand with life

11:02 PM

Your metaphor works better because of one NIGHT stand

11:03 PM

Sleep is a one-night stand with death (edited)

11:03 PM

Man that's even better than the original Woody Allen quote

11:03 PM

Thanks Alexandra

You're welcome, I'm glad you liked it ^W^

outstanding joke (edited)

Unfastened Belts

"Deep sleep is like death, without the commitment." - Woody Allen

Well funny thing about that is that the ‘deepest’ part of a persons sleep cycle is slow wave sleep (because it’s the most difficult to wake someone up during that part of the cycle) and yet during that part you’re likely to have dreams or even sleep walk depending on the person so even the closest thing to death you can experience during sleep is the same time where you can be ‘conscious’ during a dream or have your body move around due to sleepwalking

Yeah when I say "deep sleep is lile death" I mean dreamless sleep, just in terms of the absence of experience. No idea what the brainwaves look like in dreamless sleep though

I wasn’t trying to negate your quote, I was just pointing out the fact that even the closest thing life can experience to death is still teeming with aspects one would consider life to have

I wasn't trying to negate you either, I was just clarifying that by the "the closest thing to death" I didn't mean in terms of lack of brain activity, but in terms of the absence of experience

4:04 PM

Which you made me realize wasn't necessarily the same thing, which is interesting

Honestly, closest thing to death is probably being under anesthesia for surgery.

5:52 PM

Out like a light, wake up a couple hours later wondering what the hell happened for those two hours or so.

Yeah

6:23 PM

But deep sleep isn't so different, is it?

As far as I was aware, the deepest form of sleep is synonymous with dreaming, regardless of whether you remember it or not.

?!

6:31 PM

I don't think that's true

6:31 PM

There's light sleep (with some subtle awareness going on), dreams, and "deep" (dreamless) sleep

Do we know how much sleep is dreamless, or if anything else is happening during that time? I know some people claim not to dream, but my understanding is what is really happening is (like us), they just aren't remembering their dreams.

https://www.sleep.org/how-often-dreams/ Interestingly, I'm seeing that there is a deep-sleep state before REM sleep (stages 3/4 of the sleep cycle, of the 5 stages), wherein traditionally it was thought there was no dreams that occurred but that may be outdated information. It seems to be more accurate that we have less vivid, cohesive dreams at that point. There's no true point of complete void during the sleep stages as far as I can see.

How Long Are Dreams? | Sleep.org

Wondering how long dreams last and if we dream every night? Sleep science has come a long way, and researchers are getting closer to answering these questions.

7:10 PM

That said, I was specifically referring to REM sleep as the "deepest" form of sleep. And in REM you are specifically dreaming. The characteristic eye movements are caused by visualization in the same way as they are in deep hypnosis from what I gather.

7:11 PM

In REM your brainwaves become reminiscent of a wakeful state, unlike the others, if I recall rightly. (edited)

7:12 PM

With reduced frequency across the board but a similar pattern.

There's no true point of complete void during the sleep stages as far as I can see.

Wow, I learned something new! Thanks

7:25 PM

deep-sleep state before REM sleep (stages 3/4 of the sleep cycle, of the 5 stages), wherein traditionally it was thought there was no dreams that occurred but that may be outdated information

That's what I was referring to as "deep sleep", our nightly rendezvous with death

are there any tips for meditating and would it help to listen to my favourite music which is like very heavy and basically rock in meditation or would it hinder it

10:33 PM

for energy manipulation

IMO meditation is literally the opposite of trying to manipulate yourself and others :p

BRO

10:37 PM

this is the second time this has happened, magic energy manipulation

I usually meditate without* music, so music might be great for your purposes? (edited)

my purposes?! i'm talking about energy manipulationnnn.. not manipulating others. i'm not into that. magic!!!! not hurting people!

It depends. If you are focusing on the manipulation of energy you should not be focusing on anything else ideally. You can meditate with music as the focus or you can meditate with music as long as it merely helps you unfocus on your surroundings, but you cannot be focusing on both the music and the meditation.

Zen

It depends. If you are focusing on the manipulation of energy you should not be focusing on anything else ideally. You can meditate with music as the focus or you can meditate with music as long as it merely helps you unfocus on your surroundings, but you cannot be focusing on both the music and the meditation.

i see, it might be a little hard for me then as i really like to listen to music when it's the only thing i'm doing

Id say meditation is to manipulation as darkness is to light

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my purposes?! i'm talking about energy manipulationnnn.. not manipulating others. i'm not into that. magic!!!! not hurting people!

Thats why I said "yourself or others" haha

i mean energy manipulation as to make wards and stuff

10:42 PM

not like.. gawd idk anymore

Nah. I'd say meditation is manipulation like heck.

10:42 PM

But a very mellow sort, a leveling sort of manipulation.

idk what manipulation we're talking about anymore, already lost after a few messages in this channel

maybe i'm just too young for this

Zen will probably be more helpful here haha

Unfastened Belts

Id say meditation is to manipulation as darkness is to light

(Wherein the former is just the absence of the latter)

too advanced words for me. but hey atleast i answered my own question with help (edited)

urge to release inner devil's advocate rising I'd agree insofar as certain forms of meditation geared towards emptying thought are concerned. But some forms are essentially visualized autosuggestion. Chakra manipulation, stuff like that, I'd say that falls firmly into the light category whereas the emptying and achieving void category is as you say, darkness. (edited)

Unfastened Belts

IMO meditation is literally the opposite of trying to manipulate yourself and others :p

It depends on the kind! Some kinds are about guiding yourself.

Lying is fun! Discuss

Geez, why couldn't you post this topic earlier when Scarlet was front lol

8:13 PM

Wait, are you saying I'm lying about being delightful!? Cause I'm not!

8:13 PM

Not lying I mean. I AM delightful hopefully.

Unfastened Belts

Lying is fun! Discuss

What do you lie about?

You're a Human Being, not a Human Doing.

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I'm going to use this next time someone asks us to do something.

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That's what it's for!

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“Can you be helpful and do something?”

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Lmao

Another way of saying it: You're a Human Being, not a Human Becoming

That sounds like saying I'm already all I'll ever be.

6:29 PM

And I like it!

❤️

C/ @Unfastened Belts (edited)

I wonder if there is a connection between the fact that I dont believe there is a soul thats separate from the body and the fact that I believe guilt/shame ("morality") is one of the 5 human sins (in the original sense of the word - error) :p

12:28 AM

@JGC

C/ what are the others? (edited)

1. Guilt and shame 2. Blame and hatred 3. Pride and arrogance 4. Worry and anxiety 5. Expectation and resistance Which all arise out of a combination of falsely believing that 1) people are separate agents independent from life, and that 2) happiness is the result of pleasant circumstance, whereas unhappiness is the result of painful circumstance. (edited)

C/ what's happiness really? (edited)

Oh boy

what?

Marissa will talk on this for a long time if you get her started

brevity is the soul of wit

JGC

C/ what's happiness really? (edited)

The absence of the 5 forms of suffering listed above. Unbroken peace of mind regardless of circumstance.